Dr. Dru Johnson – The Biblical Mind

Bible First: The Bible And Politics Go Great Together, But How? (Mike Tolliver) Ep. #246

Dr. Dru Johnson — Thu, 02 Apr 2026 07:30:46 +0000

In this episode, Mike Tolliver and Dru Johnson reflect on the inaugural Bible First conference on politics, assessing both its successes and its limitations. Designed to “cut through the noise” of contemporary political commentary, the conference aimed to resource Christians with biblically grounded thinking rather than culturally inherited assumptions.

The conversation highlights a central tension: while many speakers engaged important historical and theological insights, fewer fully embodied the “Bible First” methodology by tracing political concepts directly through Scripture. This revealed a broader challenge within the church—namely, the difficulty of grounding political theology in the narrative and legal frameworks of the Bible, especially the Torah.

Key takeaways include the importance of defining contested terms like “Christian nationalism,” the need to examine how cultural assumptions shape biblical interpretation, and the value of recovering categories such as nationhood, law, and kingship from within Scripture itself. The hosts also reflect on memorable contributions from the conference, including themes of dual citizenship in the kingdom of God and fresh biblical frameworks for understanding the nations.

Ultimately, the episode frames the conference as a successful first step—one that raised better questions, exposed gaps, and set the stage for more focused, Scripture-driven conversations in the future.

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The Truth About Iran: Religion, Power, & the Rise of Underground Churches (Farhad Rezaei) Ep. #245

Dr. Dru Johnson — Thu, 26 Mar 2026 07:30:03 +0000

Is Iran truly an Islamic nation—or is that a misconception shaped by politics and media?

In this episode, Dru Johnson speaks with political scientist Dr. Farhad Rezaei, who offers an insider’s perspective on religion, culture, and power in modern Iran. Contrary to common assumptions, Rezaei explains that only a minority of Iranians actively identify as Muslim, with many describing themselves as secular, non-religious, or spiritually unaffiliated.

At the same time, Iran is experiencing what Rezaei calls a “religious revolution”: a dramatic rise in Christian conversions, growing from just a few hundred in 1979 to millions today. This growth is occurring despite severe consequences, including imprisonment or even death for those who convert. As a result, many believers gather in secret “house churches,” where Bible study and worship continue underground.

The episode also explores how state enforcement of Islamic law has paradoxically contributed to widespread disillusionment. As Iranians became more familiar with official religious teachings, many concluded that they conflicted with their cultural identity and moral intuitions.

Rezaei also provides insight into the political realities of the Iranian regime, the treatment of religious minorities, and the broader geopolitical tensions shaping the region today.

Ultimately, this conversation challenges listeners to rethink simplistic narratives and better understand the complex religious landscape within Iran.

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Where Is the Ark of the Covenant? Legends, Evidence, & Real Possibilities (Chris McKinny) Ep. #244

Dr. Dru Johnson — Thu, 19 Mar 2026 07:30:01 +0000

What happened to the Ark of the Covenant—and why does it still capture the imagination of both scholars and the public?

In this episode, Dru Johnson speaks with archaeologist Dr. Chris McKinny about his documentary Legends of the Lost Ark and the enduring mystery surrounding Israel’s most sacred object. McKinny explains that while many assume the Ark was destroyed in the Babylonian invasion, the biblical text never explicitly says so—leaving open a range of historical and legendary possibilities.

The conversation explores why popular imagination is often shaped by pseudo-archaeology, conspiracy theories, and figures like Ron Wyatt, whose claims continue to influence public perception despite lacking credible evidence. McKinny distinguishes between serious archaeological inquiry and what he calls “religious pseudo-archaeology,” which often exploits faith for sensational claims.

At the same time, he argues that dismissing the Ark entirely misses something essential. In Scripture, the Ark is not just an artifact but the symbolic center of God’s presence—what he calls the “beating heart” of Israel’s story. Its disappearance after the First Temple period becomes a theological problem as much as a historical one.

Ultimately, this episode invites listeners to think more carefully about evidence, tradition, and the role of the supernatural in both ancient texts and modern faith.

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Embodied Knowing: Polanyi, Scripture, and the End of the Mind-Body Divide (Dru Johnson) Ep. #243

Dr. Dru Johnson — Thu, 12 Mar 2026 07:30:39 +0000

Why does Michael Polanyi matter—and why should Christians care?

In this episode, Dru Johnson and Mike Tolliver reflect on the Hebraic Thought Community’s recent book study of Personal Knowledge and explore why Polanyi’s work remains so influential. A chemist-turned-philosopher, Polanyi challenged the modern view of knowledge as detached, purely mental, and objective. Instead, he argued that all knowing is embodied, communal, and tradition-shaped.

Science, he insisted, is not merely the collection of neutral facts but a “social fabric” in which communities train people to see significance where others cannot. Learning to read an x-ray, for example, requires apprenticeship—participation in practices that shape perception itself.

Dru connects Polanyi’s insights to Scripture, showing how biblical knowing is inseparable from ritual, community, and action. Orthodoxy and orthopraxy are not rivals but entangled realities. You cannot truly see unless you practice. Whether in Proverbs’ call to “incline your ear,” Deuteronomy’s emphasis on communal instruction, or Jesus’ insistence that doing reveals truth, the Bible assumes that knowledge grows through embodied participation.

This conversation offers a powerful framework for understanding discipleship, evangelism, and spiritual formation—not as mere belief acquisition, but as formation within a living community of knowing.

If you are interested in the books mentioned in this episode, you can learn more here:

Personal Knowledge – https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/P/bo19722848.html

A Little Manual For Knowing – https://wipfandstock.com/9781610977845/a-little-manual-for-knowing/

Longing to Know – https://bakerpublishinggroup.com/products/9781587430602_longing-to-know

Loving to Know – https://wipfandstock.com/9781608999286/loving-to-know/

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Antisemitism and the Holocaust: Or, How Normal People Become Killers (David Pileggi) Ep. #242

Dr. Dru Johnson — Thu, 05 Mar 2026 07:30:12 +0000

Is the Holocaust fading from living memory—and if so, what are the consequences?

In this sobering and historically grounded conversation, Dru Johnson speaks with longtime Jerusalem resident and Anglican rector David Pileggi about why the Holocaust must be understood not merely as Jewish history, but as a defining event in modern human history. Pileggi argues that the Holocaust was not simply a tragic episode within World War II—it was central to the war’s origins and its catastrophic consequences.

Drawing on Christopher Browning’s Ordinary Men, the discussion explores how middle-aged, non-ideological German reservists became mass shooters—not primarily because of fanaticism, but because of conformity, fear, propaganda, and social pressure. The conversation moves beyond gas chambers to the psychology of genocide, asking how “normal” people participate in extraordinary evil.

The episode also examines the roots of antisemitism, conspiracy thinking, and scapegoating—patterns that continue to resurface in modern political discourse. Pileggi offers a nuanced perspective on Jewish-Christian relations, contemporary Israel, and the responsibility Christians bear in resisting dehumanization and ideological hatred.

This episode challenges listeners not merely to remember history—but to act wisely in the present so that its darkest chapters are not repeated.

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If you are interested in Ordinary Men, you can learn more here:

https://www.harpercollins.com/products/ordinary-men-christopher-r-browning?variant=32207518924834

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Love, Justice, and the American Prison System: A Biblical Rethink (Abigail Pasiuk) Ep. #239

Dr. Dru Johnson — Thu, 12 Feb 2026 07:30:48 +0000

In this eye-opening conversation, PhD researcher Abigail Pasiuk joins Dr. Dru Johnson to explore how the Hebrew Bible can inform modern conversations about mass incarceration. Drawing on her personal experience—her father’s time in federal prison—and academic research at Oxford, Abby offers a theologically rich critique of retributive justice models prevalent in the U.S. prison system.

She explains how biblical justice prioritizes restoration and dignity rather than dehumanization, citing key themes such as the Shema and imago Dei. Abby shares firsthand accounts from interviews with incarcerated individuals, exposing everyday indignities—from food labeled “not for human consumption” to being stripped of identity and reduced to a number. With over 80% recidivism in the U.S., Abby points to countries like Norway where restorative practices and the “principle of normalcy” have dramatically reduced reoffense.

The episode challenges listeners to rethink what justice should look like through a biblical lens: not just punishment, but humanizing correction rooted in love. It’s a conversation that bridges theology, criminology, and real human stories—urging the church to see prisoners not as disposable, but as image-bearers.

Follow Abigail’s work here:
https://www.theology.ox.ac.uk/people/abigail-pasiuk

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Archaeology of the Everyday: Grounded Theology in Ancient Israel (Backfish & Shafer-Elliott) Ep. #238

Dr. Dru Johnson — Thu, 05 Feb 2026 07:30:42 +0000

What if theology isn’t something abstract but grows directly from the soil beneath our feet? In this episode, Dr. Cynthia Shafer-Elliott and Dr. Libby Backfish discuss their new book Grounded Theology, which argues that Israel’s theological reflections were deeply intertwined with daily life—especially as subsistence farmers in a land marked by both promise and struggle.

Drawing on archaeological discoveries from ancient households, the conversation explores how everyday artifacts like loom weights and ovens reveal Israelite religious practices not just in temples, but in kitchens. The land itself—its fertility, harshness, and rhythms—shaped covenantal faithfulness and theological imagination. They challenge modern listeners to reevaluate their own “floating theology” and rediscover the formative power of embodied life, land stewardship, and communal labor.

With humor, honesty, and deep insight, the guests call for a return to theology that is firmly grounded—in history, material reality, and the lived experience of Israel.

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Redeeming Eden & Eve: How the Bible Strategically Uplifts Women (Ingrid Faro) Ep. #237

Dr. Dru Johnson — Thu, 29 Jan 2026 07:30:47 +0000

Why does Scripture so often portray women as central to God’s work of redemption—even in stories of deep dysfunction and failure? In this episode, Dr. Ingrid Faro, Old Testament scholar and interim president of Northern Seminary, joins Dru Johnson to explore her groundbreaking work in Redeeming Eden: How Women in the Bible Advance the Story of Salvation.

Dr. Faro shares how her personal journey through theological trauma, cultic church experiences, and academic discovery led her to reexamine Genesis 1–3 and the women of the Bible. She explains how Hebrew terms like ezer and tzelah (often translated “helper” and “rib”) have been misunderstood, how Eve’s story actually radiates hope, and how strategic female figures consistently propel salvation history forward.

The conversation also tackles misinterpretations of Genesis 3:16, the patterns of dysfunction and healing across the biblical narrative, and what the Bible really says about evil. This episode is a deep and hopeful reconsideration of gender, power, and goodness within the story of Scripture.

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https://zondervanacademic.com/products/redeeming-eden

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Seeing What’s Really There: A Guide to Biblical Allusions (Matt Swale) Ep. #236

Dr. Dru Johnson — Thu, 22 Jan 2026 07:30:06 +0000

Can you trust that viral “Bible connection” you just saw on TikTok?

In this episode, Matt Swale, author of “Scripture’s Use of Scripture in the Old Testament,” joins Dr. Dru Johnson to discuss how biblical allusions really work—and why we need better instincts and better tools when interpreting Scripture. Swale wrote the book to help lay readers and undergraduates navigate the exciting (and sometimes overhyped) world of intertextuality: how one passage of Scripture evokes another, often subtly, and with profound rhetorical effect.

They explore his criteria for spotting allusions—rare terms, thematic coherence, and rhetorical fit—while affirming the emotional and spiritual value of hunting for connections. From Genesis 3 and Luke 24 to Judges 19 and Genesis 19, Swale shows how true allusions enrich our understanding, while false positives can mislead or confuse.

Swale also urges humility: “You want to make sure it’s real,” he says. “False positives are part of the process.” He encourages listeners to use tools like reference Bibles, read in community, and learn from scholars—while warning against treating academic access as priestly gatekeeping.

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